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I?ve got something no other ski has: direction and speed control located behind your boots.

I am the Rax Ski. The Boston Globe writes on Jan 3, 2008 that I am "an attempt to marry the superior turning of short skis with something that would track better in deep and steep terrain".

You immediately feel an unknown grip of metal fins when skiing hard slopes.

Twisting the feet left or right makes skis pivot on their fins and draw a clean curve in the snow.

Just on hard snow surface you have to care that fins do really carve and occasionally ?shoot? feet and skis forward to put a pressure on fins and to execute a powerful ?jet turn on the fins?.

Otherwise you are free to turn as you are used to (carve and skidded turns on ski edges).

The position of fins behind ski boots produces momentum that forces both skis to automatically stabilize in the driving direction and therefore parallel to each other. Unlike shaped carver this ski offers no handle at ski tip section to get skewed by bumpy terrain.

The photo shows an all-round model for piste and freeride. It was first tested two weeks ago.

The Rax Ski has been developed in Austria in the years 2006 and 2007.A diagonal carrier holding vertical metal fins was erected on the ski, just behind the binding.The fins carving in the snow operate like skate skids when the ski is running on hard pack and iceor like surfboard fins when skiing powder and other soft snow arts.The fins should be located above the ski's gliding surface, behind the ski boots and as close to them as possiblein order to bear the skier's weight directly. These 3 requirements are discussed further on our homepage


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat TomFromAustria:Bilde: http://members.aon.at/edvsyste/Firn.JPGI?ve got something no other ski has: direction and speed control located behind your boots.I am the Rax Ski. The Boston Globe writes on Jan 3, 2008 that I am "an attempt to marry the superior turning of short skis with something that would track better in deep and steep terrain".You immediately feel an unknown grip of metal fins when skiing hard slopes.The successor of all ?Firngleiter? models.In the fall line it can be ridden on rear fins while its tips are kept high above the ground.The large front fins support crossing very steep slopes of up to 70 degrees (in corn snow > 5 cm).Warning: This ski cannot run over ice spots and rocks, take "Ultimate Rax 2008" instead. In very rough and steep terrain the ski offers a new radical turn.The skier starts this turn by powerful jetting/raising the ski tips,such forcing the skis to ?ride on rear fins? for a moment before both skis drop downhill and complete the turn.Rear fins do not lose their grip during the whole turn, giving skier the possibility of a turn-correction or -interruption,e.g. on an unexpected ice spot or a submerged rock. The position of fins behind ski boots produces momentum that forces both skis to automatically stabilize in the driving direction and therefore parallel to each other. Unlike shaped carver this ski offers no handle at ski tip section to get skewed by bumpy terrain.The Rax Ski has been developed in Austria in the years 2006 and 2007.A diagonal carrier holding vertical metal fins was erected on the ski, just behind the binding.The fins carving in the snow operate like skate skids when the ski is running on hard pack and iceor like surfboard fins when skiing powder and other soft snow arts.The fins should be located above the ski's gliding surface, behind the ski boots and as close to them as possiblein order to bear the skier's weight directly. These 3 requirements are discussed further on our homepagewww.raxski.com


Idiotisk!
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Sjekk ut denne videoen på youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OZSjVcxcFI&feature=relatedså skjønner du hvor dumt dette konseptet er. Har også lest en tråd påhttp://www.tetongravity.com/, der denne stakkars østerrikeren blir spist levende, gulpet opp og skjelt ut på det groveste av ulvene på forumet.


HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE-LVETE
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Fint med kreativitet!

Om noen år eller 10 vil man vite om jeg dreit meg ut med denne latteren eller ikke :wink


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Just to show another member of Rax family:

This 150 cm ski is suited for piste.It can carve and ride on metal fins,controlled by weight transfer.


føyer meg til i rekken av latter: hehehehehehehe
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husker jeg så noen filmer av de greiene der, og det ser jo bare helt latterlig ut. "carving rax" ser ut som en utleieski fra nittitallet påmontert en biljekk...

to "TomFromAustria!:remember some films of those skis, and it looks kind of silly. it do look more like a step back in history then forth. the "carving rax" looks like cheap rental-scrap from the ninties mounted on a car-jack"


 
 
So what problem does this ski fix?
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We want skis to go faster, not slower. I don't think anyone in this forum is looking for brakes on their skis.


steep
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You can ski to the limit of whats possible with ordinary skis, why make this complicated ski? Remember KISS, Keep It Stupid Simple! And what will happend if you hit ice ore stones with the "brake" thing?

Its a good idea, but its to complicated and specialized to become anything...


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hva f... er det der??


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat Endre Hals:We want skis to go faster, not slower. I don't think anyone in this forum is looking for brakes on their skis.

It is misunderstanding, Endre.Rax skis are hell fast, provided you are on a steep slope. Both freeride or piste.Fins control the direction. The speed is to be controlled by choosing proper trace, turning, etc.

Rax can be much faster than traditional ski in a steep couloir with fresh snow as you need no "jump turns" and ride in a fall line instead.


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat LG Øverbø:... why make this complicated ski? ... And what will happend if you hit ice ore stones with the "brake" thing? ...Its a good idea, but its to complicated and specialized to become anything...

Well, a windsurfer is also more complicated than rowing boat.

Hitting stone with fins does not stop the ski (the front edge of fin is not perpendicular to ski),rather shoots the ski tail in the height.At the same time ski tip dashes against the snow surface and stops the starting rotation.And you have already passed the stone, are still standing and not knowing why.

That's right. Few Rax models are specialized for icy moguls or steep corned snow (Firn).But our all-round models can be used nearly everywhere,in hard and soft snow, on piste and freeride in a wide range of steepness and speed.


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Hjelper ikke; for meg!

He-he-he-he-he-lvete


 
 
Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat TomFromAustria:Bilde: http://members.aon.at/edvsyste/Firn.JPGI am the Rax Ski. The Boston Globe writes on Jan 3, 2008 that I am "an attempt to marry the superior turning of short skis with something that would track better in deep and steep terrain".

Hello, Rax Ski!

Man, you are one ugly son of a bitch!

Metal fins sticking out all over the damn place...

You make one hell of a freak-show all by yourself!

One thing is for sure, I'll never put your ugly ass on my ski-boots, that's for damn sure!

Maybe you make turns on extremely steep runs possible, but I really don't give a shit. You're not even a ski. You're a mix between a ski and something out of Inspector Gadget's worst friggin nightmare!

If a skiier hasn't got the skills to handle really steep conditions with regular, NORMAL skis, then he/she should simply stay away from them!

So, Mr. Rax Ski, let me say loud and clear (using my Arnold Schwarzenegger-voice):

"GET OUT OF HERE...NOW!"


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat TomFromAustria:"an attempt to marry the superior turning of short skis with something that would track better in deep and steep terrain, and failed miserably".

Sånn, fiksa det.

Tom fra østerrike skal ha skryt for stå-på-viljen, men det er ganske mange andre ting jeg vil gjøre i bakken enn å kjøre på knekte ski fra åttitallet påmontert vinkeljern smile

Link til trådene på tgr; mye fin underholdning:

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99274

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104163

Har vel en teori om at fyren mest er ute etter oppmerksomhet og det får han jo.

Kanskje friflyt kan teste raxskiene i neste års skitest?


Siden tråden igjenn ligger på topp:
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La vær å svar på denne tråden så forsvinner dette jævla plasstrengende og sinnsyke innlegget fra toppen av forumlisten!


Ja gjør det Endre
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Når det gjelder teknisk og fysisk test av ski i benk og div er jo Fri Flyt helt på topp (der er jo du Endre uten tvil Fri Flyt sin store ressurs), men; utvid testteamet og kvaliteten på de som skal prøvekjøre skiene!


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat LarsThomas:....Kanskje friflyt kan teste raxskiene i neste års skitest?

Why not,friflyt kan teste raxskiene !!

This is the only way to find the truthabout this unknown ski.


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Tom, i sent you a personal message a while ago.


 
 
Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat tb77:PS! You do NOT want FriFlyt to test and review your skis. ... Cause there is no doubt in my mind that your skis would be butchered in such a test.

Sometimes I do not know what you are talking about!I WANT FRIFLYT TO TEST OUR RAX SKIS.

Friflyt would not be the first ski forum to test them.An independent report on Rax ski was written by "DB" inhttp://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=35246

The report on this English forum ends with:The Rax ski enables you to 'turn on a sixpence', Tom could put in a few turns on the track or the soft snow above it to slow down. Tom would probably go straight down the fall-line to the side of where you skied though....I consider (Rax ski) as a quiver ski for certain conditions. Conditions that would be skiable on a normal ski but not without risk.At first I was on the front of the Rax ski or I should say on the front half of a very short ski. Was expecting to headbutt the floor and loose a few teeth at any moment but it didn't happen. As the day went on Í became more comfortable and more centered on the ski. The turning radius is very short and so avoiding people is easier. Tom was able to dart all over the place with little effort whereas the longer turning radius of my normal skis made it much harder work. When the piste was busy I had to back off whereas Tom was off like a rabbit scared by a shot. In steep wet snow conditions the Rax ski is probably safer. I only fell twice, once during my unexpected backflip and once when the ski caught something underneath (this could of happened on a normal ski too). People around me were going down more times than Monica Lewinsky. When skiers/boarders collide it tends to be body parts and not skis that do the damage. The fins aren't as sharp as normal ski edges and I didn't come away thinking "wow these things could really do some damage".


Ski-demo
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Why dont you take a trip to Norway with a coupple of demo skis, so that we can try it and be convinced about this "fantastic" ski?


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Sitat TomFromAustria:<blockquote><p>Sitat tb77:PS! You do NOT want FriFlyt to test and review your skis. ... Cause there is no doubt in my mind that your skis would be butchered in such a test.

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Sometimes I do not know what you are talking about!I WANT FRIFLYT TO TEST OUR RAX SKIS.


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Then you have got to reply on my PM, Tom


Re: ski for extreme couloirs, new Firngleiter
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Sitat LG Øverbø:Why dont you take a trip to Norway with a coupple of demo skis, so that we can try it and be convinced about this "fantastic" ski?

Yes, I have already asked Endreabout conditions in Norway.I am next week in USA (New England)and then in France (La Grave: Derby de la Meije).I hope the ski season in long in Norway.

"fantastic" ski? Of course not.But with Raxski you have one thing more (fin control)and one thing less (the unnecessary long ski).

You feel like a new born when you change to 90 cm Raxski. Just icy steep slopes and high speeds requirelonger Raxski with sharp edges.


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Sitat tb77:Eh, Tom...I just saw a couple of the movie clips with your skis in action...

Rax skis 2009: new videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydagWso-QVA

from Hochkar, Austria, April 19 2009Rax skis used

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWLzE2O9PNw

from Hintertux, Austria, June to Nov 2008


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Guess I have stop removing the ski-crampons from my touring skis!


 
 
å herrevillesatan
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i actually thougt this cruel invention was dead by now...


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I want a "I (heart) RAXSKI" t-shirt!


twintip:)
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so, when can we buy a pair of raxski twintip? I can`t wait!


Fett som faen!
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Detta gjorde kvelden min ihvertfall!

Bra kjørt! Hehe.. Helt suverent! Jeg vil ha en slik og høkke rundt på!

Tom; i love your skiis!


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hvis d dær blir populært så skal æ brenne alle skian mine og lægg mæ ned å sove....


Haha
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Må si e syns det her virka som eit latterlig konsept. Ser heilt latterlig ut gjør det også:grin

Men for all del, får eg mulighet til å prøve eit par sir e ikkje neitakk!

Make a twintip version!!:twisted


 
 
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Sitat j.hansen:i actually thougt this cruel invention was dead by now...

No, we are very agile.We just forgot to inform you about this fact.

You can find us here or here

The first Rax communities exist in New England and Tirol


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Sitat -pål-:so, when can we buy a pair of raxski twintip? I can`t wait!

Never. Like the surfboard, the ship and the car.Rax ski got one and only one preferred driving direction.

If a device is equally good in both directions,then it is not as good as a specialized one-direction gear.


seeeerrriøøøøøst!
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Hei!Stumpski eller miniski vokste jeg opp med på 70 tallet og den "kjørestilen" disse gutta viste på videoen var som å se meg selv for 45 år siden,på miniski!All ære til dem som vil prøve på noe "nytt",men jeg kommer ihvertfall IKKE til å skaffe meg noen Rax ski:twisted!!!

RINwinkwink:wink


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Dette er noe av det styggeste, og mest latterlige jeg noen gang har sett. Vidoene som er lagt ut fungerer bedre som skremselspropaganda enn som reklame.

To Tom: This is total CRAP, an nobody is going to buy it!


DETTE FORUMET MÅ FÅ REDIGERINGSFUNKSJON!
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Skriveleif: To Tom: This is totaly CRAP, and nobody is going to buy it!


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Sitat skimachine:Guess I have stop removing the ski-crampons from my touring skis!

Yeah, skimachine.Unlike crampons, fins are positioned100% above the gliding base of the ski.This is the very substance of our invention.

But somehow you are right:when hiking upwards on Rax skis with touring binding,fins act as a brake against sliding back.


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Sitat StianLa:...To Tom: This is total CRAP, an nobody is going to buy it!

We have been already selling. StianLa !But this is not so important factas we are still developing Rax technologyand changing model policy.

More important are our campaigns worldwide.With Obama the US and the world got lessconservative and can accept the change,even in alpine skiing.

But we don`t position Rax ski as"either Rax or conventional skis".rather as a new snow-going gearthat can be used after you got tired withyour normal long skis.You immediately feel like a new bornon these easy turning short skis.

You (and nobody else) will decidewhether Rax is better for you in specific conditions.


What????
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Sitat TomFromAustria:that can be used after you got tired withyour normal long skis.

Is that even possible?:surprisedSay that you actually got tired of "normal" skis, I seriously doubt that the raxski is the answer. But perhaps this is only my opinion..

If I ever get tired of normal skis(NO WAY!)I'll begin snowboarding!!!!:razz


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Sitat Dawl:<blockquote><p>Sitat TomFromAustria:that can be used after you got tired withyour normal long skis.

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Is that even possible?:surprisedSay that you actually got tired of "normal" skis, I seriously doubt that the raxski is the answer. But perhaps this is only my opinion..


If I ever get tired of normal skis(NO WAY!)I'll begin snowboarding!!!!:razz


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Yes, any short ski is easy to handle,because you have to turn just the half of the lengthand the half of the weigth.Stepping in a short ski at end of the daylets you feel as if you had only boots on.

The only problem with "any" short ski isthat it does not track well.Short skis tend to wobble and tremble on rough,hard snow and iced-up old tracks.


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Last Sunday on our home mountain Rax Alpe

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